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Calcium

Postby Jason Lucey » Tue Oct 26, 2010 8:48 am

Howsit guys my taiwan rat snake is pregnant and I'm wanting to give her some calcium just to prevent egg binding. How do i do it ? And how much should i give? she is about 2.5 meters long. Thanks very much for any advice

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Re: Calcium

Postby eyed_lizard » Tue Oct 26, 2010 9:31 am

Howsit bud, number one she is not "pregnant" she is gravid, the correct pronunciation.
I will tell you what I do, some people might disagree but so far I only had good results.

Get some calcium powder and some vitamins with D3 (reptilecity.co.za)
Mix it in some warm water from the tap not the kettle, just so that you don't burn.
Take an injection needle (pharmacy about R15)
Inject the liquid into the mouse/rat's stomach, you will be amazed at the results you get! make sure the rat/mouse is already dead before this.
I use a ratio of 5ml / jumbo mice - 10ml for a semi-adult rat.
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Re: Calcium

Postby Urucone » Tue Oct 26, 2010 10:35 am

Correct me if I'm wrong so that I can rectify my mistake, but calcium with d3 has to be used with the help of a UVB bulb, Where as calcium that don't contain D3 is able to be absorbed without the help of UVB lights, leopard gecko's and snakes for example, I use Zoo med calcium without D3 and I also use with D3, each reptile has its own needs, You can just wetting the mouse or prey item and dunk it in calcium powder.
Just be careful, snakes shouldn’t get calcium intake to frequent
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Re: Calcium

Postby Bushviper » Tue Oct 26, 2010 2:05 pm

With proper powdered reptile calcium you can give the female a decent dusting on her food for every meal from now on. Unlike mammals you cannot overdose on powdered calcium (within reason) although if it has other vitamins added this can be a problem if you give too much.

It is essential to give Taiwanese rat snakes extra calcium while they are gravid so buy a proper calcium like Bone-aid or one of those imported products.
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Re: Calcium

Postby Jason Lucey » Tue Oct 26, 2010 6:40 pm

Sorry about the wrong pronunciation was in a hectic rush. Thanks very much for all your advice guys. I really appreciate it! Is there anything else I should do to ensure she doesn't get egg bound? Thanks again guys.
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Re: Calcium

Postby Bushviper » Tue Oct 26, 2010 8:57 pm

Give her lots of room to exercise and just keep up with the calcium. Give her a nest box from an early stage so that she does not stress looking for one. Check that it stays moist. Fill her water bowl with small flag stones or marbles so that she does not lay in the bowl but can still drink.

If she stops eating then give her calcium powder diluted in water once a week till she lays.Only a few grams at a time will be enough.

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Re: Calcium

Postby Jantus » Tue Oct 26, 2010 9:45 pm

Urucone wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong so that I can rectify my mistake, but calcium with d3 has to be used with the help of a UVB bulb, Where as calcium that don't contain D3 is able to be absorbed without the help of UVB lights, leopard gecko's and snakes for example, I use Zoo med calcium without D3 and I also use with D3, each reptile has its own needs, You can just wetting the mouse or prey item and dunk it in calcium powder.
Just be careful, snakes shouldn’t get calcium intake to frequent


Vitamin D3 promotes the absorption of calcium into an animals bone structure. So if you provide your animals with UVB lighting they can produce their own vitamin D3 and won't need extra D3 supplementation. If your animals don't get exposure to UVB rays they'll need D3 supplementation. It is possible to overdose with vitamin D3 so don't give your animals high doses at once.
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Re: Calcium

Postby Bushviper » Wed Oct 27, 2010 8:38 am

Snakes usually get enough Vit D3 from their diet and as a result do not need it to be supplemented. Lizards are a different matter. There is no proof that snakes require UV light to be able to absorb calcium however with some species it does seem to have helped them. In the case of rat snakes I am sure it cannot harm them.

Moderation is the key here with all supplements whether it is calcium, D3 or UV light.
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Re: Calcium

Postby Jason Lucey » Wed Oct 27, 2010 11:42 am

Thanks BV her cage is about the same length as her. She has a nest box with vermiculite in Good humidity. The temps in her nest box are between 26 and 29. I will post a picture of her later today. I realy hope she is gravid. These are my favourite snakes! I cant wait to breed them.
I will keep you guys posted on what happens.

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Re: Calcium

Postby Snakes4Africa » Wed Oct 27, 2010 12:52 pm

If she is gravid, she will probably refuse food, so injecting calcium into a rat or sprinkling onto the rat would be pointless, especially in the latter stages. Simply tube calcium into her via a nasal tube connected to a syringe. As a short term treatment, you cannot overdose as the excess is excreted.
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Re: Calcium

Postby Jason Lucey » Wed Oct 27, 2010 1:03 pm

Thanks Byron so how many teaspoons of powder to mills of water should I mix and how much of the mix should I give her?
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Re: Calcium

Postby Snakes4Africa » Wed Oct 27, 2010 6:09 pm

I would suggest a full teaspoon in as much water as you need to make it go through the syringe.
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Re: Calcium

Postby Bushviper » Wed Oct 27, 2010 6:22 pm

Snakes4Africa a full teaspoon is a large amount of calcium. How often would you give this dosage?
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Re: Calcium

Postby Snakes4Africa » Wed Oct 27, 2010 6:35 pm

It is large. Once-off, while gravid.
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Re: Calcium

Postby Bushviper » Thu Oct 28, 2010 8:36 am

But if she is going to excrete the excess possibly smaller amounts over a a longer period would thus be better. That way she absorbs more. Possibly a quarter teaspoon every two to three weeks?
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