Bitis caudalis many horned and some others

Re: Bitis caudalis many horned and some others

Postby Superciliaris » Tue Jul 24, 2012 9:21 pm

I will attempt to mate a male B.cornuta with a female Rosh Pinah caudalis in the next few months , I already attempted male cornuta & female limpopo but the male cornutas showed no interest even though both species and sexes were active with their own kind at the time of the experiment, the female looked like she would take. Hopefully we come right and can see what a hybrid would look like.
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Re: Bitis caudalis many horned and some others

Postby Bitis armata » Wed Jul 25, 2012 6:20 pm

Rob wrote:I personally haven't seen many caudalis from Northern Cape which resemble BV's snake. I have however seen caudalis with identical markings and colouration from between Aus and Keetmanshoop in Namibia.

If it matters it is also my OPINION that none of the caudalis in this thread are hybrids nor cornuta, I'd say they're simply showing variances within caudalis.

Great adder collection Bjorn, good luck with your breeding.


I would totally agree with you.
I never said that thats a hybrid ( sure would be nice if it is but...) I´m not so in with genetics, but B. caudalis and B. cornuta belongs to different sections the complex, the caudalis complex on the one hand and the cornuta complex on the other hand so in think hyprinds in between both are maybe impossible. But I´m sure there are people who have a lot more knowledge about this than me.
But one think is clear for me Bitis caudalis have maybe the biggest variation in color, pattern and shape of all known snake species in the world and that makes this snake so interesting for me.
And that one is the first caudalis I have seen with many Horns.
It is also very interesting for me that Andrew also found some Bitis caudalis with more than one Horn in his collection. So maybe it is not so uncommon for Rosh Pina caudalis.

But as I said. I´m far from be a specialist so lets see what surprise coming out.
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Re: Bitis caudalis many horned and some others

Postby Bitis armata » Wed Jul 25, 2012 6:49 pm

Superciliaris wrote:I will attempt to mate a male B.cornuta with a female Rosh Pinah caudalis in the next few months , I already attempted male cornuta & female limpopo but the male cornutas showed no interest even though both species and sexes were active with their own kind at the time of the experiment, the female looked like she would take. Hopefully we come right and can see what a hybrid would look like.


Maybe it´s a typical german snake keeper think but the most of the people I know are strictly against those experiments.
Thinks can be go horribly wrong with that we all know about Ball pythos with open belley and even worst deformity.
But on the other hand it will be sure interesting.
I´m the last who is in that position who can say you whats right or wrong but do you have any informations about your project or is it only try and error.
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Re: Bitis caudalis many horned and some others

Postby Eyelash » Wed Jul 25, 2012 10:45 pm

I thought I'd add these for you guys. Here are three B.caudalis from namibia. Note the horns...

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Re: Bitis caudalis many horned and some others

Postby Superciliaris » Thu Jul 26, 2012 12:22 pm

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Postby Superciliaris » Thu Jul 26, 2012 12:32 pm

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Re: Bitis caudalis many horned and some others

Postby justinvBreda » Thu Jul 26, 2012 11:39 pm

This is environmentally induced phenotypic varieation at its finest.
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Re: Bitis caudalis many horned and some others

Postby armata » Tue Jul 31, 2012 5:40 pm

B.Caudalis is in a clade with B.peringueyi and B.schneideri. So hybrids are most unlikely.

What is worth keeping an eye on is where B.cornuta and B.rubida are syntopic. Have found a few cornuta with reduced horns??
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Re: Bitis caudalis many horned and some others

Postby calechidna » Tue Nov 13, 2012 2:01 am

Hi Björn,
that's definitely an amazing collection you have! Really really nice!
How many worthingtoni do you have? Are these CB 2010 from R. B.?
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Re: Bitis caudalis many horned and some others

Postby Bitis armata » Tue Nov 27, 2012 1:24 am

I had 2.2 worthingtoni but one adult Male died by mites it was to late as I realised it I was dam angry about myself that I didn't realised it.
One female went back to R.B. so I have a pair left and The female is from R.B.
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