Bitis caudalis many horned and some others

Re: Bitis caudalis many horned and some others

Postby Bitis armata » Sun Jul 22, 2012 3:33 pm

Sorry I ment Horned Adder with many Horns. Sorry for my english
On the pictures are no B. cornuta shown.
But the B. caudalis with the many Horns is also not from the coast as far as I know its from around Rosh Pina. B. cornuta is reported there but I don´t think that thats a Hyprid.
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Re: Bitis caudalis with many horns and some others

Postby Bitis armata » Sun Jul 22, 2012 3:34 pm

Bitis armata wrote:Hello my name is Björn I´m from Germany my passion are dwarf Bitis and small Crotalus. I keep snakes since I´m eight years old. Since 7 years I keeping and breeding dwarf Bitis so I like to show you some animals of my collection

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I hope you enjoy the pictures


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Re: Bitis caudalis many horned and some others

Postby J.C » Sun Jul 22, 2012 5:56 pm

Björn.

Thanks for the Peringy photos!
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Re: Bitis caudalis many horned and some others

Postby TrevorH » Sun Jul 22, 2012 7:01 pm

If pic three looks like cornuta then pic 4 looks like a bumble bee ball.
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Re: Bitis caudalis many horned and some others

Postby it_bit_me » Sun Jul 22, 2012 7:30 pm

Have you done scale counts on this caudalis/cornuta?
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Re: Bitis caudalis many horned and some others

Postby Superciliaris » Mon Jul 23, 2012 12:21 am

I'm convinced that last snake is definitely a hybrid Caudalis/Cornuta. It's definitely Rosh Pinah and they are def sympatric there... AWESOME !
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Re: Bitis caudalis many horned and some others

Postby it_bit_me » Mon Jul 23, 2012 2:04 am

TrevorH wrote:If pic three looks like cornuta then pic 4 looks like a bumble bee ball.

The headshape is what makes it more of an cornuta.
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Re: Bitis caudalis many horned and some others

Postby it_bit_me » Mon Jul 23, 2012 2:35 am

Cornuta have sharper noses.
This is a Rosh Pinah male and female.
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Re: Bitis caudalis many horned and some others

Postby Superciliaris » Mon Jul 23, 2012 9:29 am

Definitely !
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Re: Bitis caudalis many horned and some others

Postby Bushviper » Mon Jul 23, 2012 11:40 am

Can anyone tell what this is then? I assumed it was a hybrid but now that is not so obvious.

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Re: Bitis caudalis many horned and some others

Postby ljd » Mon Jul 23, 2012 2:41 pm

nearly all of the Namibian caudalis from Aus have multiple horns. some just more pronounced than others. that last pic i would say is a caudalis that bv posted.in the 1st pics the 3rd pic is a Aus caudalis well some where around that area.
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Re: Bitis caudalis many horned and some others

Postby Superciliaris » Mon Jul 23, 2012 9:13 pm

I checked my rosh pinahs now and 3 of the have multiple horns , never noticed it before. So I actually have no idea what is going on. Interesting one from BV
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Re: Bitis caudalis many horned and some others

Postby J.C » Mon Jul 23, 2012 10:49 pm

BV - my opinion on that photo.

Head leads me straight to B.Cornuta for sure,but the patterns doesn't support that. Those patterns are Northern Cape Caudalis patterns,so my theory will be that its Hybrid.
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Re: Bitis caudalis many horned and some others

Postby Rob » Tue Jul 24, 2012 7:19 am

I personally haven't seen many caudalis from Northern Cape which resemble BV's snake. I have however seen caudalis with identical markings and colouration from between Aus and Keetmanshoop in Namibia.

If it matters it is also my OPINION that none of the caudalis in this thread are hybrids nor cornuta, I'd say they're simply showing variances within caudalis.

Great adder collection Bjorn, good luck with your breeding.
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Re: Bitis caudalis many horned and some others

Postby michael » Tue Jul 24, 2012 8:31 am

I would tend to agree with Rob on this one. These species seem to occupy different habitats within the same areas; at least this is true for the NC and WC specimens. You will even notice it road cruising how certain areas produce caudalis and others cornuta. While hybrids are not impossible, i would also say its probably just variance in the caudalis, even cornuta from different localities can have variance in the number of “horns”.
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