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Hybrids

Postby captin_crash » Fri Feb 20, 2009 8:56 am

I saw a add for burm balls (Burmese python cross ball python) on some website and it got me wondering is there anyone in S.A working on hybrids and if so what kind?

I am not really against hybrids but I think this one is a bit ridiculous.
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Re: Hybrids

Postby Constrictor Girl » Fri Feb 20, 2009 9:03 am

I've seen burms cross indian rock pythons horrible little creatures!!! very agressive and not really that pretty.
Do hybrids in the snake world end up sterile like in the animal world??
i.e donkey x horse = ass = sterile.
tiger x lion = liger = sterile

which site did you see these hybrida? would love to go have a look
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Re: Hybrids

Postby Bushviper » Fri Feb 20, 2009 9:08 am

Very few of the mongrels are sterile. Most do have a personality problem and refuse to feed to remain snappy.
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Re: Hybrids

Postby Mitton » Fri Feb 20, 2009 9:14 am

I know of someone (not in SA) who bred a Chondro to a Jungle Carpet Python to produce Carpondros. One of the Carpondro babies was then bred to the Jungle Carpet again and produced more babies so they are not sterile. These snakes are really good looking but just does not seem right to me.
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Re: Hybrids

Postby Constrictor Girl » Fri Feb 20, 2009 9:14 am



oooh oooh oooh!!!!!! found a video of one, must admit quite pretty...
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Re: Hybrids

Postby Burmbuddy » Fri Feb 20, 2009 9:16 am

Usually sterile when bred to one another, but can be bred back to the original species.
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Re: Hybrids

Postby insaniac » Fri Feb 20, 2009 9:18 am

Crossing different morphs of the same species is fine in my book, but inter species " mutations " are just wrong !

Why would you want a burmball, or a red tail anaconda anyway ?
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Re: Hybrids

Postby Constrictor Girl » Fri Feb 20, 2009 9:32 am

I totally agree with keeping species seperate. i mean what use is a 1000lb super cat? or a really silly looking ass??? (donkey thingy people (",) ... )
You would find this sort of thing in the wild between species so why do it in captivity, it's a bit like playing DR Frankenstein.
Mess with nature it is going to bit you in the @zz (not the donkey thingy people) (",)
I like morphs with the species, really stunning but the hybrid thing is not the way to go IMO.
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Re: Hybrids

Postby froot » Fri Feb 20, 2009 10:02 am

Hows this for a waste of rare genetic material.

Another one that makes me want to cry is the Angolan x Royal python.
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Re: Hybrids

Postby Iggy » Fri Feb 20, 2009 10:10 am

and then, of course, there's the Borneo Bateater (you gotta love the name though!!
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Re: Hybrids

Postby Constrictor Girl » Fri Feb 20, 2009 10:33 am

FYI:

A list of known hybrids:

Diamond x Jungle Carpet = DxJ

Diamond x Coastal Carpet = DxC

Diamond X Bredls

Diamond X (Bredls X Coastal) [Jaguar]

Diamond x Inland (metcalfei)

Bredls x Inland (metcalfei)

Bredls x Jungle Carpet

Bredls X Coastal [Jaguar]

Bredls X (Bredls X Coastal) [Jaguar]

West Papuan X (Bredls X Coastal ) [Jaguar]

Coastal x Inland (metcalfei)

Jungle x Water Python (Liasis fuscus)

Jungle x Coastal Carpet = JxC

Coastal x Macklots

Jungle X (Coastal X Macklots) = Junglot

Jungle x Tanimbar(nauta)

Burm x African Rock

Burm X Ball

Burm x Retic = Bateater

Burm x (Retic x Burm)

Burm x Tiger Retic

Retic x (Retic X Burm) = Jungle Retic

Kinghorni x Coastal

Kinghorni x Jungle

Kinghorni x fuscus by Royal Melbourne Zoo 1978

Moluccan x Barneck

Moluccan x Coastal

Southern x Barneck

Barneck x (Diamond X Coastal) by John Huntress 2008

Carpet (various ssp.) x Green Tree = Carpondro
includes: Coastal X GTP
Diamond X Coastal X GTP
West Papuan X GTPby Chriss Rouille 2005
Jungle X GTP

(IJ Carpet X Sorong GTP) X Coastal Jaguar Carpet= Jagpondro by Yasser Moustafa 2008

Borneo STP X Red Blood

Borneo STP x Black Blood

Black Blood x Red Blood

Borneo STP x Ball

(Borneo STP x Ball) X Ball

Angolan X Ball

Woma x WP Carpet = Coma

Macklots x Carpet = Carplot

Macklots X Jungle = Junglot

(Macklots X Jungle) X Jungle

(Macklots X Carpet) X (IJ x Coastal Jaguar Carpet) = Jaglot by NERD

Diamond X (Macklots X Jungle)= Dicarplot by NERD

IJ Carpet (WP) X Ball = Carpall AKA Ballpet,Barpet


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Re: Hybrids

Postby Neurotoxic » Fri Feb 20, 2009 10:41 am

This is sickening!!! Breeding morphs is cool and as far as it should go! Different species, i mean its like breeding humans with chimps or dogs for that matter! Its wrong! like Constrictor girl says... its going bite them in the ass!
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Re: Hybrids

Postby arcadies » Fri Feb 20, 2009 2:54 pm

why is breeding hybrids wrong, but breeding morphs is hunky-dorie? surely something that is LACKING pigment, that could die if exposed to too much sun, is just about the same as breeding a ball x mamba? ?
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Re: Hybrids

Postby insaniac » Fri Feb 20, 2009 3:03 pm

@ arcadies :

I think your missing the point bru...

Albino's occur in the wild as well, these inter species morphs don't ...
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Re: Hybrids

Postby arcadies » Fri Feb 20, 2009 3:15 pm

insaniac wrote:@ arcadies :

I think your missing the point bru...

Albino's occur in the wild as well, these inter species morphs don't ...


Morphs have a genetic disadvantage, hybrids might not. How many times have you seen albino's in the wild? and are we talking about captivity or "the wild"? slightly hypocrytical to call one monster and the other cute.

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