Madagascar Ground Boa x Dumeril Boa

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Madagascar Ground Boa x Dumeril Boa

Postby Westley Price » Tue Feb 08, 2011 11:36 am

I just saw this hybrid being advertised on Kingsnake.com and thought I'd share.

I have been wondering how this hybrid would turn out so it was by pure coincidence that I saw this ad.

It is being advertised by AHP Exotics and the pictures belong to them.

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Re: Madagascar Ground Boa x Dumeril Boa

Postby fredsmith » Tue Feb 08, 2011 11:52 am

I quite fancy the look of that.
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Re: Madagascar Ground Boa x Dumeril Boa

Postby Mitton » Tue Feb 08, 2011 11:55 am

Hybrid or Intergrade?
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Re: Madagascar Ground Boa x Dumeril Boa

Postby Westley Price » Tue Feb 08, 2011 12:08 pm

Hydrid in the biological/zoological sense.

I guess intergrade in the reptile keeping sense.
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Postby rolandslf » Tue Feb 08, 2011 12:31 pm

I like the look of that Westley. What were they going for pricewise?
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Re: Madagascar Ground Boa x Dumeril Boa

Postby Bushviper » Tue Feb 08, 2011 12:35 pm

Nope hybrid. That is from two different species not two sub species.

I have seen some produced here in South Africa by accident a number of years ago. They do pop up from time to time because people are not aware that they have these hybrids.
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Re: Madagascar Ground Boa x Dumeril Boa

Postby Westley Price » Tue Feb 08, 2011 12:38 pm

They were pretty cheap. US$300 if I remember correctly.

I've heard reptile enthusiats try to "sugar coat" hybrids by saying, "If their distribution overlaps and they could produce natural hybrids, they are intergrades."

I prefer the biological definition:

Hybrid: Offsping of two different species.

Intergrade: Offspring of two different subspecies of the same species.
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Re: Madagascar Ground Boa x Dumeril Boa

Postby Bushviper » Tue Feb 08, 2011 8:37 pm

These are also called "Bad news boas" because it is never good to cross breed two CITES 1 snakes with each other.
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Re: Madagascar Ground Boa x Dumeril Boa

Postby Silvrav » Wed Feb 09, 2011 7:33 am

And I just learned something new :)

I know some people see hybrids as a no-no but what does the general community say about integrates?
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Re: Madagascar Ground Boa x Dumeril Boa

Postby Westley Price » Wed Feb 09, 2011 7:45 am

I personally feel that if you are agaianst hybrids, you should also be against intergrades.

It would be double standards to allow intergrades be to be against hybrids.

Recently in South African herpetology, many sub species were elevated to full species so even intergrades might in reality be hybrids.

So to me personally, they're on and the same.
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Re: Madagascar Ground Boa x Dumeril Boa

Postby fredsmith » Wed Feb 09, 2011 8:02 am

Bushviper wrote:These are also called "Bad news boas" because it is never good to cross breed two CITES 1 snakes with each other.

Bad news boas? Why is that BV?
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Re: Madagascar Ground Boa x Dumeril Boa

Postby Bushviper » Wed Feb 09, 2011 8:11 am

Fred these are snakes which are critically endangered in the wild and could become extinct if they dont get protection. To muddy their genes with other species is not a good idea on the off chance that something happens in Madagascar and the species is almost wiped out. To re-populate the island will become a problem if there are snakes that look like they might be one species but actually have other genetics in them.
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Re: Madagascar Ground Boa x Dumeril Boa

Postby Durban Keeper » Fri Feb 11, 2011 6:49 pm

almost like crossing a Angolan dwarf python with a Ball. Or people who cross Hog isle boas with the normal mainland ones. Pointlessly stupid. Just appreciate someting for what it is
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