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Postby marc bt » Fri Mar 20, 2009 5:45 pm

My little horny girl
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Re: horned adder

Postby gaboon69 » Sat Mar 21, 2009 10:26 am

Stunning animal!
Tip: Be careful not to spoil her with too much food.
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Re: horned adder

Postby Bushviper » Sat Mar 21, 2009 3:39 pm

That gravel sand mixture is not the best substrate for her. It gets far too cold.
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Re: horned adder

Postby marc bt » Sun Mar 22, 2009 10:06 am

@gaboon 69: i know, she is on a strict diet of 1 fuzzy every 3 weeks.

@ BV: i am trying to get a better substrate, but she loves basking under her light then takes a break by shuffling down into the sand.
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Re: horned adder

Postby Serpy » Sun Mar 22, 2009 2:09 pm

I'd guess chucking the gravel will be the best option?
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Re: horned adder

Postby steve » Sun Mar 22, 2009 6:54 pm

strange i hardly ever see males in this colour variety.
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Re: horned adder

Postby Serpy » Sun Mar 22, 2009 7:07 pm

I have one
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Re: horned adder

Postby Buck Rogers » Mon Mar 23, 2009 10:29 am

I had that type of gravle (river bed sand) and found it gets too hot under a light and then at night drops to cold too quickly.
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Re: horned adder

Postby hunter1 » Mon Mar 23, 2009 11:28 am

I thought that would be a good substrate for them as they are desert snakes, where temps get hot during the day, and cold at night? I am trying to learn about these critters, and all the good breeders I have seen with horned adders have been using this substrate or repti sand.
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Re: horned adder

Postby drummer » Mon Mar 23, 2009 11:35 am

The area where this "phase" is found is not desert. This is a Limpopo province specimen. Think baobab trees and semi-dry savanna.
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Re: horned adder

Postby Serpy » Mon Mar 23, 2009 11:37 am

like drummer says its all locality specific, limpopo is definitaly not sandy desert.
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Re: horned adder

Postby gaboon69 » Mon Mar 23, 2009 11:56 am

Even a blind man with a stick can tell it's a Limpopo specimen :)
Despite the fact that Limpopo is not typically all sand and desert, I still provide a coarse sand substrate as they do still shuffle into it.This sense of security reduces stress factor too, so I will advise the opposite if its used by the snake.
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Re: horned adder

Postby hunter1 » Mon Mar 23, 2009 12:19 pm

Im trying to find out as much as I can about horned adders, I have no clue about localitys, I highly doubt a blind man could tell the difference:) One thing that puzzles me about horned adders, is that alot of the hatchling sized adders have looked dehydrated! and I have seen alot die! now everyone I have seen keeping horned adders, keeps their enclosure very dry, but take limpopo as an example, they have a very dry season, and a rainy season, I was thinking that maby they hydrate them selves in the rainy season to prepare themselves for the dry season, maby I'm way out, but trying to understand why I have seen so many dehydrated horned adders, and thought people offering them a tiny water bowl all year round mite not be the best idea. Especially while they are young, I also saw some that shed badly, how would you assist them in shedding well if they dont like humidity at all? Just some questions I would like to ask, to up my knowledge.
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Re: horned adder

Postby steve » Mon Mar 23, 2009 12:51 pm

All my horned adders, in fact pretty much half my collection is hand watered with a water dropper once a week and they stay hydrated this way.
My animals never pass up an opportunity for a long drink with this method.
These dehydrated newborns (they don’t hatch btw, well at least not out of an egg, but a sack) are just malnourished, because people don’t give them the requirements they need, as youngsters they need small lizards fairly often, to keep them strong and growing.
Obviously feeding them rodent is a whole other issue.
Hydration is key to healthy newborn adders, despite the fact that allot of them are from desserts, where they would suck up water condensation off their bodies and surroundings most mornings.
Other than that these weak newborns could possibly just be under developed and premature.
As for the substrate, I would possibly put some old dry leaves in the mix.
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Re: horned adder

Postby hunter1 » Mon Mar 23, 2009 12:56 pm

Thanks Steve,
Sounds like you really know your stuff on horned adders!
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