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mildly venomous in bitis

Postby xerophak » Tue Apr 07, 2009 5:02 pm

Hi, I have a major contradiction
listening and reading a good book on information on poison, it said that these are mildly venomous following Bitis :roll: ......... :
only causing pain ,local swelling and little necrosis, but no dangerous to man
bitis schneideri
bitis peringueyi
bitis armata
bitis albanica
bitis rubida
bitis inornata and bitis xeropaga

I want to know your opinion
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Re: mildly venomous in bitis

Postby Rob » Tue Apr 07, 2009 5:51 pm

Not many bites recorded but I would say that description is fairly accurate.
Lots of pain, significant swelling and some necrosis. I saw the arm of a xeropaga bite victim last year and there was some decent swelling.
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Re: mildly venomous in bitis

Postby Bushviper » Tue Apr 07, 2009 6:41 pm

The loss of a finger is not that trivial and there is always a possibilty that you are allergic to the venom in which case it will be dangerous.

I dont think there are too many bites recorded from these species so we are not 100% sure. I would not loose sleep if one had to escape in my house for example.
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Re: mildly venomous in bitis

Postby xerophak » Tue Apr 07, 2009 7:10 pm

Rob wrote: I saw the arm of a xeropaga bite victim last year and there was some decent swelling.


possible picture of the arm? is difficult ?
is for i have an idea. + or -

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Re: mildly venomous in bitis

Postby Rob » Wed Apr 08, 2009 8:48 am

BV -Ill rephrase...possible significant necrosis?

XEROPHAK - I cannot get pics sorry but I think it will be published so you will see it someday.
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Re: mildly venomous in bitis

Postby gaboon69 » Sat Apr 11, 2009 2:28 pm

How big was the xeropaga specimen which bit the guy mentioned?
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Re: mildly venomous in bitis

Postby Rob » Sat Apr 11, 2009 10:25 pm

A baby if I recall.
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Re: mildly venomous in bitis

Postby gaboon69 » Sun Apr 12, 2009 4:35 pm

I thought so Rob. I would imagine that an adult xeropaga specimen should inflict as much damage as an adult cornuta, which is no laughing matter. Once they attain adult lengths (especially females), then the smaller venom yield as mentioned by Branch (Compared to arietans), gets slightly balanced out by the sizes both cornuta & xeropaga can attain.
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Re: mildly venomous in bitis

Postby Rob » Sun Apr 12, 2009 4:53 pm

I dont think I explained properly, my point was that it was quite nasty. The entire arm was very swolled and discoloured, I do not recall the extent of the necrosis (silly I know but it was some time back now) but yes I dont imagine these snakes are anything to take lightly
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Re: mildly venomous in bitis

Postby xerophak » Wed Apr 15, 2009 12:40 pm

and other question ,,,,, is posibely sperm retention in females the genius bitis? recorded some cases??????

sorry my ignorance, but if one do not ask no one ever knows.

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Re: mildly venomous in bitis

Postby gaboon69 » Thu Apr 16, 2009 3:16 pm

I know of a well known breeder in KZN who claimed this about cornuta, but I seriously doubt it xerophak. As you know, sperm retention is more common with other groups such as coloubrids.
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