Bunch of Berg adders and a mystery adder. Dialup Beware.

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Bunch of Berg adders and a mystery adder. Dialup Beware.

Postby Bushviper » Tue May 15, 2007 10:36 am

I had an opportunity to photograph some Berg adders (Bitis atropos). Here is a typical Drakensberg baby

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Here is an adult also from the Drakensberg.

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Then there is one from the Eastern Cape somewhere.

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and a head shot of the same specimen.

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Then we get to this pair. They are supposed to be B. atropos but I think they look like Southern Adders (B. armata) I took numerous pics so if anyone can help with the identification I would appreciate it.

First the female:

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then the male:

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Postby axor » Tue May 15, 2007 11:19 am

Hi

Some really nice looking snakes there.

What kind of venom do berg adders have ?

I know that the puff adder (Bitis arietans) has a nasty cytotoxic venom. The only info I have on berg adder is that it hisses and strikes readily but has a mild venom.
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Postby Bushviper » Tue May 15, 2007 11:26 am

Axor Berg adders have a cytotoxic venom but have enough neurotoxic properties to make life very unpleasant. There have been a few deaths recorded from these snakes so they should not be laughed off like other small adders.

Even those that survive the bite complain of a deadness in the face muscles and the loss of their sense of smell.
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Postby Rob » Tue May 15, 2007 12:49 pm

I saw a snake which looked very much like your mystery female there in a private collection recently. He too doesn't know what it is.
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Postby Bushbaby » Tue May 15, 2007 12:57 pm

I think it's the same snake Rob as BV doesnt possess any of the above, and the pics are from a private collection.
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Postby rubida » Tue May 15, 2007 1:17 pm

They are supposed to be B. atropos but I think they look like Southern Adders (B. armata)


Hi Bushviper

Those specimens are B.atropos. I will let armata have a look at them to confirm my identification :)
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Postby Rob » Tue May 15, 2007 3:37 pm

Its amazing how placid they are. Of all that I saw recently not one started hissing and puffing. By the looks of these pics these atropos aren't either.

Bushbaby - There was only one of these different looking snakes in the collection I saw, and he uses different substrate.
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Postby Bushviper » Tue May 15, 2007 3:44 pm

Rob that was a Bitis xeropaga. I did not get a pic of him.

These definately look different to me. These little adders screw with my head in any case.

I have seen Red adders (B. rubida) that look like Horned adders (Bitis caudalis) and then the other way around.

Thats why I asked for some other opinions. If I collect the stuff myself I can usually say what it is. Thats so much easier.
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Postby NEWB » Tue May 15, 2007 4:13 pm

May I ask a very stupid question??

There is a photo of a rhino viper in the exotic venomous gallery that looks kinda like a Xhosa warrior. IS IT REAL???????
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Postby snakepeter » Tue May 15, 2007 4:41 pm

Very nice specimens, thanks a lot for sharing of pictures with us...
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Postby dave » Tue May 15, 2007 7:59 pm

looks very,very nice those atropos :cool: maybe the mistery
snakes are hybrids :?:
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Postby armata » Tue May 15, 2007 8:49 pm

ALL ATROPOS DEFINITELY.

THAT MAPUMALANGA ONE VERY NICE; MARKINGS NICE AND CLEAR, USUALLY INDISTINCT ON A BROWNISH GROUND COLOUR.
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Postby Rob » Tue May 15, 2007 9:54 pm

Bushviper - The collection I viewed contained numerous xeropaga and atropos, a single cornuta and a single specimen which looked similar to your ''mystery snake''. Although your comment on that does confirm the collection you photographed for me.
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Postby Bushviper » Wed May 16, 2007 1:37 pm

Okay thanks so now they can use this male on the other females which do not have mates. Thanks very much for everyones input.
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Postby Pythonodipsas » Wed May 16, 2007 7:49 pm

WOW! I really enjoyed the pictures in this post.

BV that pair is phenomenal, especially the male! I can see why you were unsure...

- Did you get any locality info on that pair?
- Are those 'Natal' or 'TVL' Drakensburg berg adders in the first two pics?

Spikelet, great pictures of a lovely animal!
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