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Postby Rob » Thu Aug 16, 2007 7:24 am

Ssshhh, she reads these forums!
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Postby Bushviper » Thu Aug 16, 2007 7:07 pm

Rob I am pretty sure the adders come from central mpumalanga. I have a pair which are almost the reverse of yours. The male is almost patternless and the female has vivid markings. I will take some pics and post them too.

Many years ago I saw a whole bunch of these snakes which were confiscated. There were some which had no markings whatsoever. Others had vivid markings even with a blue tinge to them.

All I have left is a bad photo taken of some of these snakes. They were taken off one mountain over a weekend. 33 in two days! Many of the females gave birth and these were recorded at the Transvaal Museum.

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Most of them were released but the location has been kept secret. Unfortunately this area where they were released recently underwent a massive veld fire and I hope they all survived that.
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Postby armata » Thu Aug 16, 2007 7:27 pm

BV that is incredible, such a mix.

Can't we even know the Province

(Professional interest you know)
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Postby Rob » Thu Aug 16, 2007 7:47 pm

Oh wow. Thats mindblowing

I hope to get more of these beautiful things.

Got more pics BV? Cant get enough
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Postby Bushviper » Thu Aug 16, 2007 8:07 pm

Armata these are Mpumalanga specimens.

If you ever want to go there I can give you the exact locality. I have no idea if there is anything left where these were found or where they were released.

Rob I will post some more tomorrow.
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Postby Rob » Thu Aug 16, 2007 8:18 pm

Great. Does anyone have pics of KZN specimens?
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Postby Bushviper » Fri Aug 17, 2007 11:56 am

Here is a pic from one batch of babies born to a Mpumalanga female. This proves that B. a. unicolour is not valid.

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Postby Rob » Fri Aug 17, 2007 1:43 pm

Do you know if that snake kept that colour into adulthood?
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Postby Bushviper » Fri Aug 17, 2007 5:35 pm

Yes they do. I have not seen any changes in colour over any time period.
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Postby armata » Fri Aug 17, 2007 7:15 pm

This is probably worth a 'field note' in my book, as most of the literature described bergies from this region as almost always dull and brown with indistinct markings.

I did have a DOR some years back that was quite well marked and more gret than brown.

It certainly, as BV says, negates the former 'unicolor' described by Fitzsimons.
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Postby Rob » Sat Aug 18, 2007 6:36 am

Can i get some input regarding the venom of these guys? Primarily neurotoxic right? Does anyone have any case studies?

Fatalities?
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Postby Bushviper » Sat Aug 18, 2007 4:30 pm

Here are my specimens. These are fairly typical Mpumlanga specimens.

They are way too small to breed so I will have to wait a while.

The female :
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and the more unicolour male :

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Postby Rob » Sun Aug 19, 2007 6:30 am

That female looks good with those white flecks. Male looks much like mine.
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Postby Horned Adder » Sun Aug 19, 2007 10:54 am

You guys must be so lucky, I would kill to get a breeding pair of these little beauties.

If there are any Babies available, send me a PM............I will jump in a jet and pick them up in SA :cool:

Take care, and good luck with them !

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Postby Bushviper » Sun Aug 19, 2007 7:43 pm

Marco there are a few people breeding them here. I will let you know when there are some available.

Exporting them should not be too difficult either so there is no need to come fetch them.
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