To fang or not to fang?

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To fang or not to fang?

Postby adrianx » Wed Aug 04, 2010 12:10 am

I'm not quite sure what to make of this, I found it next to the Gamtoos river bank in the Eastern cape.
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Re: To fang or not to fang?

Postby mailjvdb » Wed Aug 04, 2010 2:00 am

I think its not to fang... It looks like a snake rib, like young Python maybe, but i seriously doubt as they are said to be extinct to very scarce in EC. More likely a Puff adder (Bitis arietans), or similar large bodied type of snake. Puffy's are quite common in Eastern Cape (if not everywhere). I saw another user, Eyelash, was into this sorta stuff, maybe he or someone else is expert enough to name exact species.
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Re: To fang or not to fang?

Postby Westley Price » Wed Aug 04, 2010 6:31 am

I don' think it's a fang.

I have a feeling it's a fish bone.
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Re: To fang or not to fang?

Postby Warren Klein » Wed Aug 04, 2010 7:43 am

2nd the fish bone. Defiantly not a snake fang!
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Re: To fang or not to fang?

Postby Nzyme » Wed Aug 04, 2010 8:34 am

I believe that to be a pectoral fin spine from a catfish.
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Re: To fang or not to fang?

Postby eyed_lizard » Wed Aug 04, 2010 8:49 am

Nzyme, I think you hit the nail there, I was trying to think where have I seen something like this before, and now it hit me sea catfish, I know this because I got cut on my thumb while trying to get the hook out, needles to say, I was dazed for a while.
I then pulled this fin bone out with some pliers and killed it with it... I know I shouldn't have but I was young and in pain.

So I agree, that is a pectoral fin spine from a catfish.
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Re: To fang or not to fang?

Postby mailjvdb » Wed Aug 04, 2010 10:49 am

1st pic i can't remember where i got it from, second Pic from http://www.paleoenterprises.com/Miocene1.htm, but anyways the similarity is very striking...

Its a long shot, but i still think it is a Snake rib... Getting it near a river bed doesn't necessarily suggest it to be a fish bone
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Re: To fang or not to fang?

Postby mailjvdb » Wed Aug 04, 2010 10:59 am

Catfish spines usually have sort of serrated edges, usually only visible after decomposition or exposure of the spine, and not as smooth as the one in the pic, but then again, it won't be the first time i am wrong, so I'm interested to learn what you have found there mate.
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Re: To fang or not to fang?

Postby herpitologica » Wed Aug 04, 2010 2:13 pm

Could it not be a fishes rib or dorsal spine?The catfish spines i have seen are were very straight,this one looks a bit skew.
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Re: To fang or not to fang?

Postby Bushviper » Wed Aug 04, 2010 3:14 pm

I think that is just a fish bone. The fact that it has a groove in it makes me think less that it is a snake rib. The way the joint is makes me wonder about the "barb" too.
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Re: To fang or not to fang?

Postby Eyelash » Wed Aug 04, 2010 5:46 pm

In my opinion it is def. a rib of some sorts...I would say its not from a snake just because of the shape(not curved enough and the already mentioned groove)...It does look a lot like a fish rib if I had to compare it to some of the skeletons on display in the zoology building...
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Re: To fang or not to fang?

Postby adrianx » Wed Aug 04, 2010 7:00 pm

Hey, here is a couple more images to solve this issue.
I just want to add that this rib/spine/fang or whatever it is has a enamel like coating, not like the average rib you get...
Louis, if you wanna check it out I will be able to post it to you. PM me if interested.
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