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Postby steve » Sun Jan 04, 2009 8:39 pm

whilst on holiday in Cape Town, one of my C.vipera has dropped her load, im well chuffed, ive been trying to breed with this perticular female for the past 4years, anyway guess i did someting rite this time round. 8 in total. 1 slug, all healthy. some pics and stats will follow. any body else bred these in S.A, i havnt heard of anyone. regards
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Re: Cerastes vipera has dropped.

Postby Serpy » Sun Jan 04, 2009 9:01 pm

Well done mate!! you must be stoked!!
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Postby Mitton » Sun Jan 04, 2009 9:03 pm

Well done Steve, can't wait for the pics.
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Re: Cerastes vipera has dropped.

Postby steve » Sun Jan 04, 2009 11:13 pm

as promised.
I’m really happy about this lot.
Such a pity that I was out of town when she decided to pop though, iv been waiting in anticipation for the day she dropped for so long now, Anyway doesn’t matter really, they are all healthy and well, damn cute if you ask me, and so fat! Haha, you got to love the little frog faces.
Some info: copulated at the end of august 08, dropped January 2nd 2009 that’s a 5 month gestation period.
I’ve always wanted to breed this species so I can’t tell you how good it feels.
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After shedding and a feed they will be available. So please place orders, R1500 each, with this price you have the guarantee that they CB animals none will be sold unless feeding.
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Re: Cerastes vipera has dropped.

Postby Bushviper » Mon Jan 05, 2009 7:31 am

I have had babies from these once before but looking at your mating stats the female was possibly gravid when I got her. I only had three babies and could not get them to feed. After about two or three weeks they went to Germany and I lost track of how they did. I sold the parents a few months later when I had to make place for other snakes.

I suspect you may have to try geckos as food for them.

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Re: Cerastes vipera has dropped.

Postby steve » Mon Jan 05, 2009 9:27 am

that is interesting that you mansion your female only had three babies bv, i guess this species has very small broods of young, my female that dropped this load is the biggest vipera iv seen, I thought her clutch would have been double what she had, she was massive rite before she dropped.

ahh yes and the task of feeding, my problem feeder list has possibly just gone up again. Never the less, these babies are strong and well, I think that they have a good chance at taking pinks in no time at all. Thanks guys
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Re: Cerastes vipera has dropped.

Postby Pythonodipsas » Mon Jan 05, 2009 9:46 am

Very impressive, nice to see less common stuff being bred!

When you say the female is massive, how big would you say in cm?

Try the babies on crickets. I have never heard of these eating crickets but since most Echis babies will take crickets, as well as most baby Vipera/Montivipera i think its worth a shot.
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Re: Cerastes vipera has dropped.

Postby insaniac » Mon Jan 05, 2009 9:51 am

Hey steve !!!

Now you got even more stunning snakes in your collection...

Well done man !!!

I've also read that C vipera yields small clutches from 3 - 12...

Good luck with the feed !
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Re: Cerastes vipera has dropped.

Postby Alan Hyde » Mon Jan 05, 2009 10:02 am

Excellent! Well done Steve . Nice Chunky healthy looking babies :D
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Re: Cerastes vipera has dropped.

Postby Rob » Mon Jan 05, 2009 10:44 am

Congrats Steve thats very nice going. Did you raise the parents from young?

Are you sure end of August to 2nd Jan is not 4 months gestation?
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Re: Cerastes vipera has dropped.

Postby pythondave82 » Mon Jan 05, 2009 12:15 pm

Hi Steve

Congratulations, there is something about these you have to love.

I know of two keepers from the UK who were extremely unlucky to find a whole load of slugs from mum.

Good luck feeding them, I know some can be tricky feeders but I know some will take straight away.

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Re: Cerastes vipera has dropped.

Postby steve » Mon Jan 05, 2009 4:42 pm

just a quik update, i found another two babies today, they are very hard to find under all the sand in her cage, maybe there is more still more to come. takes me up to ten babies now.

mom ate a a big mouse today aswell, very pleased.

thanks for the kind words guys!

ill try geckos 1st and what ever follows after that...if all else fails, trusty beef heart to get them up to size.

@ Pythonodipsas - she is about 38-40cm, really big!

@ Rob - sorry man, no they stopped mating at the end of august, 5months gestation.
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Re: Cerastes vipera has dropped.

Postby calechidna » Tue Jan 06, 2009 11:48 am

Congratulations Steve!
I would be interested to know under which conditions you have managed to get them breeding.

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Re: Cerastes vipera has dropped.

Postby steve » Thu Jan 15, 2009 10:17 am

Hi calechidna!
Something interesting.
I was reading through Stephen Spawls and Bill Branches "the Dangerous snakes of Africa" not sure if you are familiar with this book, anyway there is a fair amount of useful literature on this species, but the breeding section needs an update, it states as follows and I quote "virtually nothing is known. one captive specimen laid eight yellow brown eggs, most of which hatched a few hours later" - breeding of this sort is unknown in African snakes, most of which lay eggs that hatch weeks later of live birth"

Now as I have witnessed this is false, this species has live birth. There were no eggs or egg sacks other than the embryonic sack left behind after birth.
Breeding these was simple really, winter cooling period, with a range of about 25 degrees day -20 degrees night, I use a smaller heat bulb with less wattage in winter so they still have the option of basking when need be. Spring time just up the temps, 25 nights, 30+ days. When I placed the male in with the female, the male was shy at 1st, he soon learned the female did not want him for lunch and the breeding began, really simple actually.

I have 2 females though only the female older then 5years old bred successfully, the other female only 3years more or less old, was not interested in breeding, also make sure the female has a good solid weight before you plan to breed.

If there is anything else in terms of requirements please feel free to ask.

all the babies have now shed and are very active.

So far I have tried feeding the following:
Small day geckos-nothing!
Small crickets-nothing!
day old pinkie mice-nothing!

Anything else I should try guys? Before I resort to the beef heart?

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Re: Cerastes vipera has dropped.

Postby Bushviper » Thu Jan 15, 2009 11:22 am

Having reptiles giving live birth or laying eggs within the same species is not unheard of. The Garden skinks in Pretoria are a prime example, in Pretoria they give live birth and throughout most the rest of the country they lay eggs. Natal Purple glossed snakes also lay eggs or give birth even in the same geographical area.

It is however still an interesting observation and I think you should contact Bill and inform him so that if he ever does update that book then this can be included.
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