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Blue and red snake ID

Postby warbot » Wed Nov 18, 2009 9:09 am

Hey again,

Found this pic on the net,

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Wonder if anyone can ID this species for me as well and if anyone knows of anyone that have or can get...?

Thanks again
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Re: Blue and red snake ID

Postby fredsmith » Wed Nov 18, 2009 12:36 pm

Calliophis bivirgata flaviceps, Blue Coral Snake from Malaysia?
www.naturemalaysia.com/coral-snakes.htm
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Re: Blue and red snake ID

Postby fredsmith » Wed Nov 18, 2009 12:56 pm

Tried to find a bit of info to read about this very pretty animal...
"Some call it "the 100 paces" snake because that is as far as any man could walk after being bitten."
Quoted from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calliophis_bivirgatus
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Re: Blue and red snake ID

Postby warbot » Wed Nov 18, 2009 1:01 pm

You have a lot of info Fred, thanks for all the help, I didn't know they are venomous, I thought they are family of garters or racer snakes ?
Very beautiful snakes!!
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Re: Blue and red snake ID

Postby marc bt » Wed Nov 18, 2009 2:16 pm

Has a head like a Fae's Viper, very nice. I wonder how true it is that they can kill you in about 5 minutes?
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Re: Blue and red snake ID

Postby warbot » Wed Nov 18, 2009 2:25 pm

Wouldn't know, but not very keen to find out...
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Re: Blue and red snake ID

Postby marc bt » Wed Nov 18, 2009 2:36 pm

haha yeah true.
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Re: Blue and red snake ID

Postby Amphibian » Wed Nov 18, 2009 5:25 pm

I would love to know how many South East Asian Snakes attract the title of the 100 pacer......its seems like most of them.
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Re: Blue and red snake ID

Postby bradmiller » Thu Nov 19, 2009 12:02 am

I have seen this in a book I have - I will dig it out and see if there is any more info on it.
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Re: Blue and red snake ID

Postby gaboon69 » Thu Nov 19, 2009 1:27 am

There are a few high-end collectors abroad who are working with these animals in captivity.
These snakes can be mistaken for Calamaria schlegeli.

If the genus interests you then I would suggest browsing through this relatively recent document.
"A new species of coralsnake of the genus Calliophis (Squamata: Elapidae) fromthe Central Province of Sri Lanka."
http://www.mapress.com/zootaxa/2008/f/zt01847p033.pdf
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Re: Blue and red snake ID

Postby bradmiller » Thu Nov 19, 2009 10:44 pm

Ah yes found what I was looking for - in the Mark O'shea book "Venomous snakes of the world".
The species eats snakes (cannibalistic), legless lizards and frogs.

"The venom glands of this snake extend down the first third of its body, this blue lonfglanded coral snakes is the most dangerous of the oriental coralsnakes."
"It is said in the book that a Singapore man died 5 minutes after being bitten on the toe in the shower. "
Pg99 in the book.

There are 6 species of oriental coralsnakes
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Re: Blue and red snake ID

Postby fredsmith » Fri Nov 20, 2009 8:37 am

bradmiller wrote:"It is said in the book that a Singapore man died 5 minutes after being bitten on the toe in the shower. "
Pg99 in the book.
There are 6 species of oriental coralsnakes

That is hardcore!
5 minutes may give you just enough time to use this kit.
viewtopic.php?f=17&t=16244&p=126149&hilit=snake+bite+kit#p126016
At least, according to a few sites, they're reported as being fairly timid and reluctant to bite.
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Re: Blue and red snake ID

Postby insaniac » Fri Nov 20, 2009 9:01 am

Lol @ Fredsmith,

That kit looks the business...

Add a folded pic of Megan Fox and I'll happily buy one !

What are the symptoms of the bite ? Sorry, would've checked if I could, the entire internet is blocked here at work...

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Re: Blue and red snake ID

Postby warbot » Fri Nov 20, 2009 9:27 am

dang!

Hectic snake! thanks for all the info guys but how big is this species, it hardly seems to be able to reach a meter or so?!
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Re: Blue and red snake ID

Postby fredsmith » Fri Nov 20, 2009 9:29 am

insaniac wrote:What are the symptoms of the bite ? Sorry, would've checked if I could, the entire internet is blocked here at work...
I bribed the I.T. guys to open up this site for me...


Not a heck of alot of information out there,
Here's what Wikipedia says about the venom, "The venom is very potent and has caused deaths. Death can occur in as little as 5 minutes. Like other elapidae, its venom is primarily neurotoxic. The bite initially has few or even no symptoms. However, after several minutes, the victim may feel numbness near the wound and lip. Soon, the victim may feel difficulty in breathing. Death is a result of respiratory failure. Some call it "the 100 paces" snake because that is as far as any man could walk after being bitten.

A chemical analysis of the venom by fractionation with a Sephadex column has identified five different fractions, S1-S5. Fraction S2 contains two phospholipases A2 — PLA2 I and PLA2 II; fraction S3 contains four cytotoxin homologues — maticotoxins A, C, D1 and D2; and fractions S4 and S5 contain a large amount (about 1 mg/specimen) of adenosine with smaller amounts of inosine and guanosine. The amino-terminal amino acid sequences of PLA2, I, PLA2 II and maticotoxin A suggest that Maticora bivirgata is closely related to Bungarinae, especially to genera Hemachatus and Naja."
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