Long Tailed Garter Snake Babies

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Long Tailed Garter Snake Babies

Postby Amphibian » Thu Feb 13, 2014 4:55 pm

My Elapsoidea longicauda produced two beautiful big clutches this season after two very poor years.

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Very pretty little babies
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Re: Long Tailed Garter Snake Babies

Postby Warren Klein » Thu Feb 13, 2014 5:00 pm

Well done! The babies are stunning!
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Re: Long Tailed Garter Snake Babies

Postby Bushviper » Thu Feb 13, 2014 5:08 pm

Lets hope this is a sign of things to come. Lovely little babies.
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Re: Long Tailed Garter Snake Babies

Postby Westley Price » Thu Feb 13, 2014 5:18 pm

Sjoe, that's special!

Well done!
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Re: Long Tailed Garter Snake Babies

Postby Chopper 1 » Fri Feb 14, 2014 7:58 am

Wonder if those adults where the ones i caught and sent to guys in Hillcrest somewhere? I know they wanted to breed with them - lovely to see that someone is actually getting it right!!!!
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Re: Long Tailed Garter Snake Babies

Postby Jake's snakes » Fri Feb 14, 2014 4:40 pm

What is their venom like? An importer offered me some and want to read up on them.
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Re: Long Tailed Garter Snake Babies

Postby Bushviper » Sun Feb 16, 2014 12:13 pm

The venom is not beleived to be lethal however i would never want to take a bite from these. They kill a mouse in matter of seconds. I know we are not mice but it cannot be a good idea.
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Re: Long Tailed Garter Snake Babies

Postby Kennyakagera » Sun Feb 16, 2014 1:00 pm

Nice, the babies are absolutely amazing.
Could you give some more details about the breeding ? (How many eggs, How big the eggs are, size of babies etc...).
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Re: Long Tailed Garter Snake Babies

Postby kfc223 » Sun Feb 16, 2014 2:19 pm

I would love to get my hands on a few of these.
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Re: Long Tailed Garter Snake Babies

Postby Amphibian » Mon Feb 17, 2014 9:08 pm

Some additional details for anyone interested

The first clutch was 8 eggs each measuring an average of 40 x 12mm
Laid on the 3/12/2013 and hatched after 76 days incubated at 27 degrees

These Juveniles were an average of 200mm long with an average tail length of 18mm. Each snake weighed 3 grams

The second clutch was 6 eggs with roughly the same measurements as the first clutch. These were laid on the 28/01/2014 and are currently still in the incubator at 27 degrees.

I first put the adults together at the end of September after 3 months without heat and had them on and off together right through to mid November.

The second time I paired the adults was on Christmas day. I separated the adults on the 26th after only the one day together.

Some photos of the eggs.
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I agree with what BV said, I wouldn't want to take a bite from a Longicauda especially a large male. They are a decent sized elapid and I'm sure their bite wouldn't be a pleasant experience.
These snakes are on the whole fairly placid BUT have an unbelievably explosive feeding response and there is a good chance of a feeding bite if you are complacent.

Adult male E.longicauda
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Re: Long Tailed Garter Snake Babies

Postby Pythonodipsas » Wed Feb 19, 2014 3:36 pm

This is very cool Chris! A dream many people have...
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Re: Long Tailed Garter Snake Babies

Postby Amphibian » Thu Feb 20, 2014 7:45 pm

Thanks Craig. The babies have all shed this week and look fantastic.
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Re: Long Tailed Garter Snake Babies

Postby Fooble » Fri Feb 21, 2014 1:10 pm

Those babies look incredible! Nice going man!
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Re: Long Tailed Garter Snake Babies

Postby Savu » Fri Feb 21, 2014 9:35 pm

That is quite an achievement and the babies look gorgeous. Would be nice if they stayed like that when adults. I would just like to mention,that having foolishly received a bite from a Elapsoidea s boulengeri ,I would be a bit cautious in handling them with bare hands.The pain,vomiting and even a bit of pins and needles in my lips was not what I expected
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