Scaleless burmese

Scaleless burmese

Postby CarlaSmit87 » Tue Aug 14, 2012 2:38 pm

Some may like, some may not but I just LOVE this

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And still wondering what a scaleless feels like :lol:
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Re: Scaleless burmese

Postby shadowfoot » Tue Aug 14, 2012 2:52 pm

Hopefully these are not like those scaleless Puffies that all died out in Europe for no apparent reason.
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Re: Scaleless burmese

Postby it_bit_me » Tue Aug 14, 2012 3:45 pm

He looks like he has a pantyhose on.
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Re: Scaleless burmese

Postby Bushviper » Wed Aug 15, 2012 9:49 am

Scaleless corn snakes and rat snakes are pretty common overseas. They are still very expensive but dont seem to have any problems. I have also seen scaleless Death adders.
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Re: Scaleless burmese

Postby Serpent » Wed Aug 15, 2012 2:32 pm

Does this not make them suseptable to injuries and torn skin etc?
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Re: Scaleless burmese

Postby Ruan Stander » Wed Aug 15, 2012 4:54 pm

I do not think the snake loves it at all. An animal like that is obviously deprived of the functions that scales serve not to mention the protection. I think it is cruel.
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Re: Scaleless burmese

Postby CarlaSmit87 » Thu Aug 16, 2012 8:14 am

Well it's a mutation. Just like colour morphs. And being born like this I guess it does'nt know of anything beter. These snakes do have scales underneath to be able to move.
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Re: Scaleless burmese

Postby CarlaSmit87 » Thu Aug 16, 2012 8:15 am

And these snakes can never be fed live. If a rat/mouse grabs onto that skin...
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Re: Scaleless burmese

Postby Jamster » Thu Aug 16, 2012 10:54 am

I think this is not at all cruel, this mutation is obviously non existant in wild populations due to the fact that these snakes would be vulnerable. Why not give these animals the ability to survive in captivity? Scaleless snakes retain their ventral scales and so are able to move just as well as any other snake. As mentioned provided they are not fed live they should function just as well as any other snake. I would think that this would fall into the same category as the several different types of hairless cats. Now if you ask me having a furless animal thats meant to be furry is far more cruel than a scaleless snake. No offence, just my opinion. :)
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Re: Scaleless burmese

Postby Ruan Stander » Thu Aug 16, 2012 11:05 am

I did not know that they retain the ventral scales, as that was my biggest concern. I know it is a mutation and if it happens by chance obviously the animal should not be left to die, but I have a problem with the selective breeding of such snakes.

I think other than locomotion the two most important functions of scales are protection and also protecting the skin itself from the heat that these animals need to expose themselves to in order to raise their core temperature.
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Re: Scaleless burmese

Postby Jamster » Thu Aug 16, 2012 11:29 am

Maybe without reflective scales their heating requirements are lower than for a normal snake? Scaleless snakes have been kept for some time already and detramental effects arent evident. I think their are some advantages.

Mites will be spotted instantly and will be easy to treat and cannot burrow under the snakes scales. Shedding should be easier and less stressful on the snake. Im not a big fan of them i just dont think they need to be felt sorry for as they live good healthy lives just like any other snake.

What i do have a problem with is inbreeding. A few times is fine in order to get out certain mutations or morphs etc. But when people take albino burmese pythons for example and breed them with their offspring repetitively just to get out as many albinos as possible i think its ridiculous. You end up with snakes that have been bred out from generation after generation of inbreeding, with a higher succeptability to illness, stunted growth,etc.

Blondie was our previous albino burm at The Boma. She was apparently bred out from intense inbreeding. She was about twelve years old and sitting at about three metres. The fourth time she got what was diagnosed as a form of pneumonia, she died. No matter how hot she was or what the humidity was, she got sick every year.
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Re: Scaleless burmese

Postby Ruan Stander » Thu Aug 16, 2012 4:19 pm

You have a point, I just find it very unnatural. I agree, inbreeding is terrible.
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Re: Scaleless burmese

Postby Burmbuddy » Wed Aug 22, 2012 10:30 pm

Too weird man, looks like a wart snake...
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Re: Scaleless burmese

Postby Reinhard Booysen » Sat Sep 08, 2012 3:09 pm

I can just imagine an Albino scaleless!
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Re: Scaleless burmese

Postby Aaxel » Sat Sep 08, 2012 9:18 pm

Wont a scale-less snake get cold :shock: ?
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