House Snakes... lets see some morphs

Postby arcadies » Sun Apr 08, 2007 6:19 pm

a fish? its minute though, but thats not a bad idea
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Postby Pythonodipsas » Mon Apr 09, 2007 8:12 am

Hmmm interesting! I agree with BV and Mongoose. It could be an L. fuscus or L. rufulus but it could also be a light, possibly xanthic L. inornata.

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Postby Snake007 » Mon Apr 09, 2007 8:56 am

Thanks all . . .

Froot - - - It has 2 post-oculars

Mongoose - - - As requested some shoots of the head (Top View)

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Upper labial (8 with 4th and 5th entering the eye)
- - - L. aurora – 8 with the 4th and 5th entering the eye (Sometimes 3rd, 4th and 5th) – Possibility
- - - L. inornatus – 8 with the 3rd, 4th and 5th entering the eye (Sometimes 4th and 5th) – Possibility
- - - L. fuscus – 7 or 8 with the 3rd and 4th or 5th and 6th entering the eye
- - - L. rufulus – 7 or 8 with the 3rd and 4th or 4th and 5th entering the eye (Sometimes 4th, 5th and 6th) - Possibility

Lower labial (7)
- - - L. aurora – 8 (7 or 9) – Possibility
- - - L. inornatus – 8 (7) – Possibility
- - - L. fuscus – 7 or 8 - Possibility
- - - L. rufulus – 8 (7 or 9) - Possibility

Preocular (1)
- - - L. aurora – 1 (Sometimes 2) – Possibility
- - - L. inornatus – 1 (Sometimes 2) – Possibility
- - - L. fuscus – 1 (Sometimes 2) - Possibility
- - - L. rufulus – 1 (Sometimes 2) - Possibility

Postocular (2)
- - - L. aurora – 2 – Possibility
- - - L. inornatus – 2 (sometimes 1) – Possibility
- - - L. fuscus – 2 - Possibility
- - - L. rufulus – 2 - Possibility

Temporal (1+2)
- - - L. aurora – 2 + 3
- - - L. inornatus – 1 + 2 - Possibility
- - - L. fuscus – 1 + 2 - Possibility
- - - L. rufulus – 1 + 2 (1 + 3) - Possibility

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Okay so the possibility is that this is a rufulus, as the high sub-caudals scale count is leading us towards - - -

Has rufulus got a spike at the end of the tail? The reason why I’m asking this is that I have never found one with a spike at the end of the tail. As I mentioned, I stand corrected.

I will defiantly try the fish thing BV . . . Thanks, this should clear up most of the questions.
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Postby Snake007 » Mon Apr 09, 2007 9:01 am

Deon - - - This is a catch-and-release not a catch-and-keep :lol:
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Postby froot » Mon Apr 09, 2007 10:22 am

http://www.sareptiles.co.za/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4493

I'm not sure which of the 2 topics to reply in but here's a curve ball....

Using 2 popular references, Fitszimons snakes of Southern Africa revised by D. Broadley,
and Snakes of Southern Africa by Johan Marais 2004 edition.

On the scale count diagram of Lycodonomorphus rufulus in Fitzsimons there is only one post-ocular, whereas in Johan Marais' book, there are 2. This is the only water snake described with 1 post-ocular.
If this is not a printing error, it makes me wonder how many L. fuscus have been mistaken for L. rufulus. In both references there are 2 post-occulars in all Lamprophis. If this correct, then that is not a L. rufulus.
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Postby Bushviper » Mon Apr 09, 2007 4:41 pm

To release an animal which will not survive in the wild is immoral and should be illegal.

Apply to Cape Nature and explain the situation and ask that they review the policy. If not tell them it is an exotic unless they can positively identify it as being indigenous.
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Postby Snakes Incorporated » Mon Apr 09, 2007 6:08 pm

To release an animal which will not survive in the wild is immoral and should be illegal.

Apply to Cape Nature and explain the situation and ask that they review the policy. If not tell them it is an exotic unless they can positively identify it as being indigenous.

Couldn’t agree more
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Postby Bushbaby » Tue Apr 10, 2007 8:46 am

From what I can see, that snake has a round pupil, which would rule out any Lamprophis species. The pupil also looks red, which would indicate albinism?
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Postby shamroth » Tue Apr 10, 2007 9:21 am

looks like a yellow bellied house snake to me......
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Postby shamroth » Tue Apr 10, 2007 9:31 am

ive caught a few in the helderberg basin that had tail spikes
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Postby gary57 » Tue Apr 10, 2007 10:26 am

You could also offer if a fish which is not recorded in any Lamprophis diet.


I had a brown house a few years back that would quiet often eat fish out of the pond. I would give him some exercise on the pond and as the fish came to the top of the water he would snatch them.
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Postby Snake007 » Tue Apr 10, 2007 10:02 pm

BV - - - Done as you said - - - Now the big wait.

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Then . . . A comparison between heads (Credit to Rudie) . . . Check nostrils, eyes, etc . . . What do you think?

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Postby Bushbaby » Fri Apr 13, 2007 9:31 am

We showed this photo to a friend last night and he said he has no doubt that it's a yellow bellied house snake. Says he has seen quite a few so he is pretty certain about it.
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Postby shamroth » Fri Apr 13, 2007 9:34 am

thats what i said too.....
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Postby Dragon Breeder » Fri Apr 13, 2007 9:49 am

lamprophis fuscus definately if it is a house snake

there are more possibilities, this mightn't be a housie remember

but it definately looks to be one
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