Pssst! Snake hunts are under threat

Re: Pssst! Snake hunts are under threat

Postby croteseeker » Tue Dec 20, 2011 12:05 am

Do you mean to tell me that South Africans are better educated on venomous snakes, in general? That this couldn't happen there? I understand the great strides your country has taken towards conservation of it's fauna. Still, it seems quite unlikely that this is the case. Snakes, venomous snakes especially, are demonized in almost every culture that exists alongside them.
Where these festivals occur, they attract a fairly wide cross-section of the surrounding population. I'm saying we need to move towards changing the message, and supporting the ones that actually promote conservation and appreciation of these animals. The audience is there. Why pass up the chance to educate these people and give them something positive to take away from the experience? Regarding the people running these carnivals of death, I am not, "proud of their actions." I fail to see how you've come to that conclusion. I think I've made it pretty clear that the practice of harvesting large numbers of snakes, torturing and then killing them is absolutely despicable. It would just be infinitely easier to reach a larger number of people by simply reformatting the system already in place.
You mention all of your good friends here in America which find these practices abhorrent. Mine, too. That's what education does for people. But the fact is, people who are properly understanding about these snakes are in the minority, just as I'm sure they are there, too. That's not because of a prejudicial view of South Africans, mind you, just an observation of human beings, and the innate fear of snakes we seem to cling to as a species. We need to act while we still have the avenues by which to reach the majority. While the venomous snakes of the world continue to dwindle in numbers, H. sapiens sapiens continues to expand it's range at an alarming rate. Whether you like it or not, the snakes are losing this fight and we don't have time to waste. :smt009
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Re: Pssst! Snake hunts are under threat

Postby Bushviper » Tue Dec 20, 2011 4:35 pm

Yes snakes will be vilified and it seems as if you are a specialist in this genus. I am sure you are more embarrassed about this that what we are.

We dont get to see many rattlesnakes here. Of the ones from outside the US we only ever see a few C. durissus and C. vergrandis. You could post some pictures here of what you own too.
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Re: Pssst! Snake hunts are under threat

Postby croteseeker » Wed Dec 21, 2011 2:01 am

Bush viper, you are correct. I am embarrassed by these spectacles just as much as any informed individual would be. I am also very embarrassed to have met you this way. I've been reading up on these forums and it should have occurred to me that you have more expertise in this one genus than I have in any that are exotic to the US. And it apparently doesn't stop there. I owe you an apology for attacking both your education and your character.

I would also like to point out that, while I specialize in crotes, I'm definitely not an expert. I appreciate your own experience and can only promise that I intend to become an expert in this genus, before all is said and done. ;)
I'm gonna respectfully bow out of this thread and just hope the moderators are merciful enough to clean up the unpleasantness that's been put forth, in order to keep this thread on a civil, informative, track. :smt006
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Re: Pssst! Snake hunts are under threat

Postby Bushviper » Thu Dec 22, 2011 7:30 am

Croteseeker I can understand your dismay when seeing a single post or a single thread in isolation. Dont worry about it. Hope you dont stop visiting this site.
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Re: Pssst! Snake hunts are under threat

Postby yoson10 » Mon Jan 02, 2012 9:48 am

I'm not going to get into the whole South Africa vs Southern American racism thing...But I will say one thing...I have lived in Texas and Alabama and I will say this....those states have a MUCH higher % of retards living there than anywhere I have ever been to or lived in...An incredible amount of bible thumping-gun toting Sarah Palin morons inhabit those 2 states and frankly it was almost unbearable...I feel bad for anyone who comes to America and judges the country based on those redneck "earth was created in 7 days by God" retards...It gives the country a bad name. I would stay stick to the North-East or North-West where people believe in evolution and don't like to machine gun bears and wolves from helicopters for fun.




Refer to 1.15-1.38 of this video to understand the type of morons that we are dealing with....and why it is incredible easy for any corporation to dump toxic waste into the water supply or to rape the environment for profit...




And maybe our next president!!! I'm sure the rest of the world would love to see him get elected

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