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Cantil

Postby Death-Skull » Fri Jul 04, 2008 9:53 pm

HI all

I went to my friends shop this afternoon and decided that I wanted to wat new in the shop so when I saw these guys I went crazy.

These are still some of my favourite snakes so if all goes as planned I will b buying them 2morrow!!!

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Postby dendroaspis » Fri Jul 04, 2008 11:02 pm

Almost as ugly as a Cottonmouth :P

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Postby drummer » Fri Jul 04, 2008 11:23 pm

how much is he paying you to take them? ;)
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Postby rubida » Sat Jul 05, 2008 11:24 am

Are both adult specimens? Those look like two different sub-species, the first one being A.b.taylori and the second A.b.bilineatus. The one exotic you don’t want to be bitten by.
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Postby Death-Skull » Sat Jul 05, 2008 12:05 pm

they r as far as we can ID they r Mexican cantil and Ornate Cantil
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Postby Bushviper » Sat Jul 05, 2008 12:37 pm

Now you will have to try and pair them up which is not so easy. These animals are way cheaper in South Africa than in the US or Europe. I have no idea why. They have a nasty venom and are not to be messed with. I was recently offered babies at about R700 each.

These are two subspecies so dont keep them together as they look like opposite sexes and could actually mate with each other and should produce offspring with an even nastier venom.
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Postby Nasicornis » Sat Jul 05, 2008 3:19 pm

Question. In comparison to something like a Crotalus atrox and/or Agkistrodon piscivorus, what would a bite from one of these two be like?
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Postby dendroaspis » Sat Jul 05, 2008 5:33 pm

I would take the crote bite first :)
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Postby rubida » Sat Jul 05, 2008 5:45 pm

Think this sums it up the best:

Bites from A.bilineatus have caused human fatalities (Bogert and Oliver, 1945), but envenomation by this species has not been reported in detail. According to one report, one of six cases required amputation. Loveridge (1928a) reported that a horse bitten by this species in Oaxoca, Mexico, died within 20 minutes, and Rodas (1938) reported that a Guatemalan horse died less than an hour after being bitten by an individual 25cm in total length….

Alvarex del toro (1983) described the frightening effects of the potent proteolytic venom, which causes extensive local necrosis and destroys blood vessels, leading in some cases to death or loss of limbs. Solorzano et al. (1999) reported that the venom elevates hemorrhagic, hemolytic, and myotoxic activities. A snake from the Yucatan Peninsula only 30cm in TL was reported to have caused the death of a women within a few hours (Gaige, 1936).


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Postby Bushviper » Sun Jul 06, 2008 9:51 am

That should give you something to think about. That is why I said they have a nasty venom. To kill a horse you have to pack quite a punch.
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Re: Cantil

Postby kingspider » Tue Jul 22, 2008 7:55 pm

wow they uglier in ther photo!!!!pls dont set your cottonmouth pics on the world if thats the best you can do with cantils hahahaha hard luck deathskull!!!
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Re: Cantil

Postby Contortrix » Thu Aug 14, 2008 9:40 pm

Nice but i would not breed the Agkistrodon taylori with the Agkistrodon bilineatus if i where you...

Here's a few old shots of my tayloris, i have to take some new pictures when i get some time over...


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