Bitis nasicornis x Bitis gabonica hybrids

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Bitis nasicornis x Bitis gabonica hybrids

Postby snakepeter » Fri Sep 08, 2006 10:55 am

Hello guys,

hoped I found out how to post pictures over here personally (so I don`t need to ask kouthia for help all the time :D ...

I think you discussed subject of cross breeding among different species of snakes, including Bitis nasicornis and Bitis gabonica. I would like to bring my input into this case.

Last week we received a shipment from Uganda. Between group of amazing Ituri Bitis nasicornis we found out 3 different looking animals. After closer inspection we came to conclusion they are on 99% hybrids of nasicornis and gabonica. They are very nice, color is unbelievable. Two of them (btw, they are 1 male and 2 females) needto shed, but third animal is showing the real colors. It`s very interesting in my opinion that they come from nature, not from farm or some breeding facility...

I saw some pictures few years ago over USA websites of hybrids, but didn`t find any articles or details about this cross breeding now...

Sure, we are keeping them for us, and can wait to see later in few years if they are fertile and can produce babies as well.... I would never cross breed them over here, but as they came from nature, it`s worth to try what result it can bring...

I hope you can enjoy pics as we do live animals :D
We tried to feed them already, and they did it immediatelly. They had to be hungry after such long journey over us... :roll:

All the best,
Peter

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Postby Bushviper » Fri Sep 08, 2006 11:17 am

The hybrids are usually fertile.

I dont know why you say 99% hybrids. There is little doubt. The lack of horns on the nose and the other markings down the back makes it look like a hybrid to me.

Very interesting.
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Postby Sean » Fri Sep 08, 2006 11:19 am

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Postby snakepeter » Fri Sep 08, 2006 11:19 am

Thanks for reply...

I said 99%, as one can`t be never sure... :D Also as I never saw such hybrids on my own eyes, I didn`t want to "stay myself into expert pose" who can confirm it for sure... That`s all... :cool:
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Postby Bushviper » Fri Sep 08, 2006 11:25 am

Better safe than sorry.

You could always try selling them as a new species! hee hee
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Postby snakepeter » Fri Sep 08, 2006 11:30 am

The hybrids are usually fertile.


According to it I can say also one experience. We got from a friend few years ago babies of Agkistrodon bilineatus. After arrival and some time we recognised there isn`t everything correct with them. They looked different as normal bilineatus babies, so I asked my friend where the problem is? He got them from somebody else as well, and found out later, that breeder kept together 1 Agkistrodon bilineatus and 1 Agkistrodon conthortrix laticinctus of oposite genders. To his surprise he got babies from such pair later, but didn`t tell about it to us right away...
We had read somewhere that such hybrids can`t produce offspring. After few years, when babies grown up, we one morning found alive big baby in their cage (we kept 2 males and 1 female of adults together)... Baby lived just few weeks, and died, but it was big surprise for us anyway.
Next year we got 5 babies again (4 are still living, at the moment are subadults) and year later we got 2 babies as well.... This is also confirmation that nothing is sure in nature... :D

I will look in archives for pictures of these hybrids and post them later...
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Postby gaboon » Fri Sep 08, 2006 1:51 pm

You say they are from Uganda - are they wild-caught?
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Postby snakepeter » Fri Sep 08, 2006 2:47 pm

Yes, as I wrote in my first post, they are wild caught over Uganda....
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Postby arcadies » Fri Sep 08, 2006 2:49 pm

i would like to have a run down on there venom? is it the same as any of the parents OR is it a new cocktail?
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Postby Mongoose » Fri Sep 08, 2006 4:24 pm

They are nice!
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Postby drummer » Fri Sep 08, 2006 7:30 pm

thanks for posting that...very cool
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Postby snakepeter » Wed Sep 13, 2006 10:35 pm

Here arepictures of hybrids between Agkistrodon bilineatus and Agkistrodon conthortrix laticinctus I wrote about few posts above.... :D

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Postby Bushviper » Thu Sep 14, 2006 6:24 am

I would not want to get bitten by any of these hybrids. The antivenoms will probably not work anyway.

They are unusual though.
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Postby Snakes Incorporated » Thu Sep 14, 2006 7:00 am

I would not want to get bitten by any of these hybrids. The antivenoms will probably not work anyway.


Would not want to get bit, PERIOD but get what you are saying. :)
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Postby snakepeter » Thu Dec 14, 2006 1:05 pm

After a while I am posting new pictures of one hybrid as an update. They are all approx. once bigger as they arrived, and start to get really amazing colors. You can check it out by self... ;)

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