Naja sputatrix

Naja sputatrix

Postby bugs » Tue Oct 09, 2007 1:11 pm

Is'nt she lovely?
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Postby Alan Hyde » Tue Oct 09, 2007 1:12 pm

Absolutely! Very nice
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Postby Kay » Tue Oct 09, 2007 1:15 pm

Very!!
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Postby Bushviper » Tue Oct 09, 2007 1:17 pm

Does yours ever spit. They seem to forget how to do it rather quickly.

Can you take a full body shot please?
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Postby bugs » Tue Oct 09, 2007 1:25 pm

BV unfortunately she belongs to a mate of mine but good news is that he's breeding them this season and I have some babies coming my way.
As for her temprament there's a lot of hooding and hissing but very little spitting.
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Postby Nivea » Tue Oct 09, 2007 1:54 pm

Hi.

Correct if i am wrong, but that looks like the Indochinese Spiiting cobra (Naja siamensis), it is also commonly called the "black and white spitting cobra". I am sure that WW could give a definate answer.

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Postby bugs » Tue Oct 09, 2007 2:47 pm

Nivea I'm No expert on Asian cobras. My mate Had these Imported from Switzerland as sputatrix. You could be right and it would be nice if someone could enlighten us on which one of the two it is. ANYBODY?
BV do you have an answer for us?
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Postby Deon » Tue Oct 09, 2007 3:40 pm

I must agree with Nivea, that does look like siamensis. BUT we could both be wrong. :-) WW??
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Postby Pythonodipsas » Tue Oct 09, 2007 3:48 pm

Beautiful snake.

I am 99% sure, that is 'siamensis'. For many years they were incorrectly called 'sputatrix'. True sputatrix are typically a shade of plain brown.

I think its ok to call them sputatrix in the trade (as everyone does) but if you want to get technical then its Naja siamensis.
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Postby bugs » Tue Oct 09, 2007 4:05 pm

Thanx for the info Pytonodipsas
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Postby WW » Tue Oct 09, 2007 5:36 pm

Definitely Naja siamensis. They are often sold as Naja sputatrix in the trade, but the black and white pattern is characteristic of Central Thai N. siamensis. Just to confuse things, N. siamensis from northern and northeastern Thailand are uniformly brownish or olie, with or without a hood marking.

It is worth remembering the difference, since there is a real Naja sputatrix, which is a totally different species, from Indonesia.

See also http://biology.bangor.ac.uk/~bss166/Taxa/AsNaja.htm

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Postby Bushviper » Tue Oct 09, 2007 5:40 pm

Sorted, thanks.

I loved it when they were all Naja naja and a few subspecies because then I could sound clever. Now I have learned to just keep quiet.

I even imported those as N. sputatrix many years ago. Then in later years I was told they were N. atra and now finally we are sure.
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Postby Chantel » Tue Oct 09, 2007 9:08 pm

Just to add my 2 cents worth. I have imported Sputatrix from Indonesia and most are a jet shiny black but there are also populations of light sandy brown ones and the odd pure white (albino) ones.
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Postby gaboon69 » Tue Oct 09, 2007 10:22 pm

Im willing to bet my shorts on that being N.Siamensis
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Postby snakepeter » Wed Oct 10, 2007 8:59 am

It`s definitelly Naja siamensis, as WW already told :oops:
This topic is very interesting, as it gives me a possibility to discuss color variation of Naja sputatrix. I would appreciate especially opinion of WW, but of course, all are welcome to join "this party" :-P It`s nothing scientific from my side, I just want to share some experiences, resp. animals we had/have now...

Few years ago we got some Naja sputatrix, which were almost black, or let`s say dark in coloration. Here are some pictures of one of them...

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As we didn`t get them from dirrect import made by us, I have no idea what locality they can be... Some of them died already, we have now just single male left...

Approx. 6 weeks ago we imported from Indonesia some Naja sputatrix again. They come from East Java (that`s what I was told), and are absolutelly different - cream colored, very light... Here are pictures of one of them:

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We have both genders of these, so hopefully we can try to breed them next year, after they calm down over us ;)

It`s really interesting to see what different colors can one species have. I know that this species is quite controversal, and some of people think there are separate species among them, but as I know, they are still one so far...
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